John Lennon. "Peace Activist" and Hypocrite. The two faces of a pop icon.

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By christopheranton

"Give Peace a Chance". A sick joke.

"Peace campaigner" supporting mass murderers.
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"Peace campaigner" supporting mass murderers.
This is the actual placard.
This is the actual placard.

Contents.

John Lennon. The "Peace Activist" who supported murderers.

John Lennon's friends did this in Ireland and Britain.

John Lennon supported murders in Vietnam as well.

John Lennon shot in 1980. "Good riddance to bad rubbish".

What chance did John Lennon's friends give these people?

Forgive the vomit inducing song.

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What John Lennon's friends did.

Shankill Rd bomb. John Lennon Supported the murderers of nine people here.
Shankill Rd bomb. John Lennon Supported the murderers of nine people here.
Refugees flee the communist allies of John Lennon in Vietnam.
Refugees flee the communist allies of John Lennon in Vietnam.

John Lennon.The "Peace Activist" who supported murderers.

In this world there are good people and bad people. There are those who will go out and sacrifice themselves for a cause, people like Gandhi, who almost starved himself to death in protest at the sectarian violence that swept India at the time of independence. Then there are those like Winnie Mandela, who gain for themselves false reputations as freedom fighters, while presiding over the murder and torture of their political opponents. But perhaps the worst type of hypocrite would be someone who made a fortune from the gullible masses, by writing and singing about their love for world peace, and then used their fame, and the money they derived from the afore mentioned gullible masses to give aid and support to an organisation which practiced murder on a massive scale. The hypocrite I am singling out for condemnation here is that "icon of the twentieth century" John Lennon, and lest any of you doubt the veracity of what I have to say, you have only to look at the picture I am placing at the head of this article.

The placard that he is carrying offers support to the Provisional IRA. This is an organisation that was dedicated to murder on a massive scale, although this does not seem to have bothered, "peace activist" and hypocrite, John Lennon.


John Lennon's friends did this in Ireland and Britain.

"Killed 1,775 people from 1970 to 2005, maimed several thousand more in shootings and explosions, and devastated scores of towns and cities in Northern Ireland and England with vehicle bombs and firebombs."

Six hundred and twenty one of those murdered by the friends of this "great peace campaigner", John Lennon, were civilians, that is men, women, and children. When you sit listening to "Imagine" or "Give peace a chance", think of that picture, and remember all of the victims.

John Lennon supported murders in Vietnam as well.

Another cause that Mr Lennon adopted as his own was that of the Vietnamese communists during the Vietnam War. In 1969, along with his wife Yoko Ono he staged a "bed in for peace" in an hotel in Amsterdam. He declared that he would maintain his protest until America withdrew from the war in Vietnam. A few years later he got his wish when they did leave that country. Between 1975 and 1980 at least 360,000 people died at the hands of his fellow travellers in that unfortunate country. There is no record of John Lennon making any protest about that. He claimed to be at the forefront of the movement for world peace, but, like the hypocrite he was, he was always highly selective about whose genocide he would condemn.

John Lennon shot in 1980. "Good riddance to bad rubbish".

The world reacted with shock when John Lennon was shot in 1980. World leaders almost fell over themselves to pay tribute to someone considered an apostle of peace. His nauseating anthem "imagine" topped the bestseller lists for months. Since then plaques have been laid, and statues have been erected to his memory. Every magazine and internet publishing site is overloaded with articles in praise of him. How easily are the people fooled. It was sad when Mark David Chapman shot John Lennon dead in 1980. But only because it was not a fitting end. It would really have been better if he could have been brought alive to Belfast, or London, or Manchester, or Birmingham, or anywhere in Vietnam. Then he should have been made to stand with another placard saying "I supported the people who murdered your husband/wife/child/grandmother/grandfather etc. I did it because I wanted to increase my millions by pretending to promote peace, while really lending support to the perpetrators of genocideā€. Leave him there in any of those locations. It would have saved Mr Chapman a bullet.

What chance did John Lennon's friends give these people?

Forgive the vomit inducing song.

Comments

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lightning john 14 months ago

Hi there Christopher, can you please elaborate more on the Red Mole? It is hard for Americans to comprehend this after living in DisneyLand for all of our lives. Thank you, Lj

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Brenda Durham Level 5 Commenter 14 months ago

Thanks for this expose, christopheranton.

Rated this UP and useful; well-written too.

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christopheranton Hub Author 14 months ago

Hi John.

I'm not sure who "Red Mole" were. There were a lot of small anarchist/communist splinter parties around in the nineteen seventies.

One that is still around at the moment is "The Socialist Workers Party". They have a habit of latching on to any cause that they feel might get them a few votes, or sell their newspapers. They have been known to change their name occasionally, when it suits their purposes. I wouldnt be that surprised if "Red Mole" had some connection with them.

There was also an organisation called "Troops out", who were a front organisation for IRA supporters. I think they organised that particular march, but I am not positive.

When in America John Lennon gave money to an organisation called "Noraid", who were collecting "officially" on behalf of the families of republican prisoners, but most of the money was going to buy guns and explosives. He also sang at concerts to raise funds for this group.

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christopheranton Hub Author 14 months ago

Thanks Brenda. John Lennon might have been a brilliant songwriter, but it didnt mean he was a nice person.

Richard Wagner was one of the most brilliant musicians ever, but that didnt stop him being a raging anti semite.

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lightning john 14 months ago

What did John Lennon really believe in? It seems that he was against the very system that helped make his money.

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drbj Level 8 Commenter 14 months ago

Unfortunately, Christopher, all too often we equate brilliance or even notoriety in some field with being a "good person." Thanks for this enlightening information about John Lennon. Puts an entirely different spin on things, doesn't it?

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lightning john 14 months ago

After some reading, it seems Red Mole was a magazine that interviewed JL. And of course Yoko Ono was there as usual.

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christopheranton Hub Author 14 months ago

Thanks lightning john for the info regarding "Red Mole".

I think John Lennon was principally an attention seeker. He could be regarded as naive re the vietnam war, after all a lot of people were taken in there , like Bob Dylan, Joan Baez; and, most notoriously Jane Fonda, but there can be no excuse for his support of Irish Terrorism, and the whole thing just shows him up as one big hypocrite.

Thanks drbj for dropping in.

What you say is very true.

Thanks for that.

Hxprof Level 3 Commenter 14 months ago

I've always believed that John Lennon was at the very least naive about life in general-now you've shown me that he supported a group that HE KNEW was engaged in terrorism.

I liked his music in the 70's and still like some of his stuff, but I thought he was a loon. Apparently, he was a hypocrite to boot.

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attemptedhumour Level 5 Commenter 14 months ago

Bloody hell Christopher, you can't club a saint over the head can you? Well maybe if you prepare a good enough case it appears you can. Anyone who tries to persuade people to stop hating their own causes is naive to start with. John Lennon did have some nasty streaks in him, but like all humans he had some good, if naive traits too. Shoveling every substance known to man, or woman, down his throat probably wouldn't have helped and living in a goldfish bowl probably wouldn't have either. He may have reflected upon his actions, given the chance and if he had listened to that incredibly sad and moving tribute to the dead and injured in the Birmingham pub bombings, i'm sure he would have thought better of what may have been an ill advised protest. I'm positive he would have been against all of the atrocities carried out in all the various conflicts around the world. I see your point and yes i have managed to conjure up a list of excuses, but he's not here to defend himself. Stupid and naive yes. Indifferent to all that suffering, no. He may have been attention seeking, perhaps we're guilty of a bit of that on hubpages ourselves. But he wasn't a trained politician or he would have put his foot even further into the mire. Those victims of the IRA deserve to be better remembered and for that alone i will accept your clubbing of my ex saint. Brilliant stuff Chris, right between my, naive eyes.

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christopheranton Hub Author 14 months ago

Thanks Hxprof, and Keith.

He was a brilliant musician, and "Imagine" is a lovely song, but it wasnt based on any real feeling on his part, not when he supported terrorism. That is why I feel revolted everytime I hear it.

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SilentReed Level 5 Commenter 14 months ago

I suppose JL deluded himself. I seem to recall a statement attributed to the Beatles about their being more popular than God. Fame and fortune can do that :) and we must not forget the influence that Yoko had on him. Although this hub express a sentiment that is contrary to what most people feel about JL.It gave me a better insight on John Lennon as a person.

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christopheranton Hub Author 14 months ago

SilentReed.

Thanks for visiting, and for the considered comment. I suppose it is possible that Yoko had a negative effect on him, but I suspect it might have been the other way round.

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50 Caliber Level 7 Commenter 12 months ago

christopher, Lennon was always a cynic as I remember the conversations he held with the media, he seemed to manage to not answer most questions, by cynically throwing curves to not answer. He had the ability as my take was he was quite lucid, regardless of his history of education, he understood human condition better than most scholars. He led the fab four on missions to study other religions while indulging in LSD, mushrooms, opium, hash all the high end better drugs over their standard weed burning. I'm not throwing stones as I live in a glass house when it comes to experimenting with the psychotic drugs of the day. I'm saying many of the things that the group went in for was led by Lennon. He was a great, or brilliant mind that was able to reach out with the music he wrote and with a high success rate drag a generation into acceptance of his world. We all connect past times while listening to music, I don't know about you but some music when I hear it takes me back to the times when I heard it, with crystal clear memories of days where I can wrap it all up, sights, sounds, smells and just remember it like I am back to that place and time feeling it all. The hair on my neck gets tingly and it trips me out, it carries me to bad times and places that brings tears or ire to a point that was shit, and I didn't know it at the time but a replay allowed me recognition of the destruction I unwittingly, took part in. That said, I find a certain amount of mind control in music music. While many musician/ lyricists don't realize that they are able to lull a crowd as they perform or if folks hear the song years later it can still push them to a memory and inspire them to a feeling or conclusion on certain issues.

John Lennon was aware of what he could do to or for people with his music, and served the masses with strong lyrics that would touch them in a manner that made them over look what ultimately he was doing and stood for. His actions it seems if I'm right in my recognition of this hub, were as sneaky as a politician who is making a bid for re-election to office using smoke and mirror tricks to control the atmosphere of what they are screwing to us, by drawing attention to a lackadaisical left hand while the right hand is pulling a switch that scars us with something that would drop his approval rating. For the president it's for 4 more years and he is free to do anything he wants short of impeachable offenses, for Lennon it was about a level of cash that set him at a height that kept his actions to the level that he could set in the whole of the top floor of the Dakota and focus on raising a kid and possibly shuffling cah to an under ground he believed in, against the UK, despite his being crowned[if I remember right] by the Queen. Imagine that! [pun intended]. I've gone on too long here, sorry but you brought it up.OK one more, his album he'd been working on, "Starting Over" 'Backfired' on him LOL, thanks for the article it got my mind rolling,

Peace dusty

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christopheranton Hub Author 12 months ago

Hi Dusty.

He wasnt the first genius to be a shit, and I suppose he wont be the last.

Albert Einstein was horrible to his wife, and Richard Wagner was an awful vain man, who was antisemitic, and who sponged off Ludwig II of Bavaria.

They were both geniuses in their field. So was John Lennon.

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christopheranton Hub Author 12 months ago

Hi Dusty.

John Lennon is not the first genius to be a shit, and, I'm sure, he will not be the last.

Albert Einstein was horrible to his wife, and Richard Wagner was an awful vain man, who was antisimetic, and who sponged of Ludwig II of Bavaria.

But they were both geniuses in their fields, as was John Lennon.

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Wesman Todd Shaw 12 months ago

WOW!

I see myself a lot in this one - it's like the kind of things that I sometimes write about respected persons.

I'm not too certain that pop stars make good activists very often. I think I'll just go on occasionally enjoying the works of John Lennon like always. I do feel the same way about "imagine" as you do though. I can't say that I'm sick of the rest, but I'm sick of the rest of it too. I do go through some "Beatles Revival" periods from time to time though.

In the end, which of us isn't a hypocrite to some extent or another? I suspect that the best of efforts don't prevent any of us from being somewhat hypocritical about some things when seen from hindsight.

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christopheranton Hub Author 12 months ago

Well he wasnt the first genius to be a bastard, and, as I said above, he wont be the last.

I really object to him supporting The IRA, as they were real scummy terrorists. As I am Irish, I especially hated that they claimed to be murdering and bombing in my name. I certainly never asked them to.

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Wesman Todd Shaw 12 months ago

Hey Christopher! The Shaw family claims to be Irish, but of course that's not a very good claim from this distance, especially when one counts that English surnames in the mixture that I've got.

I've got a lovely Irish friend in New Jersey, from Galway, but her father had been a London Constable for a while, so she mostly grew up there. Just spoke to her is why I'm thinking of it. She said she was almost deported the last time she sent something in the mail without a return address, and that most of the rest of her family is IRA.

I'm very glad to not have ever had to deal with bombs. Even that Oklahoma City thing was too close for me, Waco Far, FAR too close, but there terrorist in that one seems to be the U.S. Federal government.

~starts morphing into Puddleglum~

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christopheranton Hub Author 12 months ago

Wesman. I knew there was something familiar about your name.

Perhaps you are related to George Bernard Shaw. He was Irish, and a brilliant playright. He wrote "Pygmalion", better known in it's musical version, "My Fair Lady".

That would explain how you have a talent for writing.

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Wesman Todd Shaw 12 months ago

You are very kind. I peruse the misspellings and typos in my comments and shudder.

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christopheranton Hub Author 12 months ago

Oh! You do OK Wesman, or should I say "Mr Shaw"?

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Freeway Flyer Level 4 Commenter 11 months ago

As someone already said, entertainers may not make the greatest political activists. His biggest weakness was most likely his ignorance and naivete.

In criticizing one type of negative behavior - British imperialism, American intervention in Vietnam - you may end up ignoring or supporting another - IRA terrorism, atrocities committed by Vietnamese communists. The world is not divided into clear cut good guys and bad guys. And unless you are an absolute pacifist, you are going to find yourself at some point supporting one side's violent actions against another. Were people who supported military intervention in Vietnam, Libya, Iraq, and Kosovo warmongers? Were people who opposed these measures supporters of the Vietcong, Qadaffi, Hussein, and Milosevic? In a nasty world, you inevitably find yourself at some point supporting some nasty stuff.

I am not trying to justify the behavior of the IRA, and I am not arguing that John Lennon was anywhere close to being a perfect human being. But as humans go, I don't think that he was quite as bad as you describe. And violence in Northern Ireland and Vietnam was going to happen whether he was an activist or not.

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christopheranton Hub Author 11 months ago

The problems in Northern Ireland were never about British Imperialism. The situation there was that there was an armed terrorist organisation, (The IRA), who believed that they could force Northern Ireland out of Britain by bombing and shooting it's inhabitants. It has always been the democratically expressed wish of the majority there to stay within The United Kingdom.

The people that John Lennon was marching to support were responsible for killing 1800 individuals in 30 years, of which 650 were civilians.

John Lennon was not naive, or stupid. He was a very clever man, and he knew exactly what he was doing.

Jon Hynds 8 months ago

Have just read an artile by Julian Lennon, slighting his father for not financially supporting him or his mother when he was a child & it confirms what I have felt about John Lennon since he was murdered in 1980; he was an hypocrite & an irresponsible miser, Yes there is the significant political activist element you raise as well. All that money & he couldn't keep his 1st child or ex wife in even menial comfort & he used cynical political activism as a modus to garner a fortune. He did have a good handle on human psychcology & gullibilities & he exploited them. & they say Paul was the business wise, hard nosed, undertalented, jingle tune writing Beatle; much prefer Paul's happiness endearing lyrics to JL's manipulating bull shit

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christopheranton Hub Author 8 months ago

I couldnt have said it better myself Jon. Thank you for commenting.

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MOEFLATS Level 2 Commenter 8 months ago

There are some flaws in your argument. For one thing, you never mention if he at some point became aware of these atrocities and stopped giving support to the IRA. People aren't perfect. People like you pick at one thing someone may have supported out of ignorance or just a way to irritate the authority in his own country.

Vietnam was an unjust war. Weren't the Irish displaced by a British invasion. They caused death, but at least they had a viable argument. Were they not in pretty much the same position as Scotland as far as the atrocities committed against them? At some point, the loss of lives in this war overshadowed the fact that the Irish might have had a good argument in the beginning.

Bono supported the Provost party as well, but after witnessing all the bloodshed turned completely around and began to protest the loss of lives. You never mentioned if Lennon ever gave up his support for this organization later in life. Maybe he did.

The Beatles/John Lennon are part of our musical heritage. I'm so tired of hearing people p33s and moan about the culture we had before the meaningless Cr3p they make these days. The lyrics are all designed to make you be a good little child for the "parent government and the music itself SUCKS for lack of a better word. John Lennon may have simply had a lot to learn, but I think he crystallized the meaning of peace for many people.

So he wasn't perfect. Inconsistencies like these only prove one thing: that John, like everyone else is not free from flaw. After all, the only humans that would ever be flawless would not be humans - they'd be programs. This trend seems to be sucking humanity right out of the air over here. Part of this is the vilification of important Icons which gave/give us an anchor to hang onto in a world that appears to have lost it's mind.

No, most of us do not want to hear you trashing the last REAL music ever made. We don't like what has happened to people. Your criticism seems to arise from some personal dislike for John Lennon's music. Personally, I think he was AWESOME and could care a less about his (probably early) hang-up with the IRA. You are just "culture-bashing" so that all we have left is the pathetic, antiseptic, ass-backwards culture of today to look to for guidance. It doesn't seem like OUR Country, anymore: it seems more like some pitiful, candy-ass, conformist, ALIEN environment. I bet you have the same problem over there. People tell me that you do. Preserve whatever collective NATURAL means of interpreting reality that your country has. Without Icons like Lennon, people look to this "social programming" drivel to live by. Then all you'll have is a nation of dehumanized, mechanical, FAKE PEOPLE......how pathetic is that? Words really can't adequately describe the loathing I have for this pathetic "New Culture". Everyone has to be perfect......or else.

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christopheranton Hub Author 8 months ago

Richard Wagner was a brilliant composer, and a piece of shit.

John Lennon was the same, except he wasnt a brilliant composer.

His character is well documented, not least by his own son.

I hope your rant gave you some satisfaction MOEFLATS, but it does not alter the truth.

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MOEFLATS Level 2 Commenter 8 months ago

I could care a less about the points upon which you build your case against Lennon. He raised awareness despite not being a perfect example of a human being. Martin Luther King had orgies. Does this diminish my admiration for what he did for civil rights AND the sacrifice of his very life for that cause? Not one iota. People's personal lives are their own business. Lennon raised awareness despite your "truth". Go pick on someone who wasn't able to further the peace movement. Lennon raised our consciousness and he was a great man!

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christopheranton Hub Author 8 months ago

John Lennon gave continuing support to people who were murdering his own countrymen, and theirs as well.

He supported the communists in Vietnam, who murdered millions. If he was so fond of raising awareness, where was he when the boat people were fleeing for their lives, from his former allies? I can tell you. He was in his luxury apartment in The Dakota Building, counting the millions that his support for their murderers was bringing in.

Face it. John Lennon was SCUM. The world became a better place on the day that he was taken out of it.

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MOEFLATS Level 2 Commenter 8 months ago

. Hope he had a rockin good time while he was here. He's probably up there in Heaven singing beautiful music which God himself enjoys. What are your feelings about Jim Morrison? He didn't give a flying f%$^ about World Peace and I truly adored his music. Besides, isn't "World Peace" for nutballs like Ron Artest (now "Metta World Peace"), models and "Social Programmers". The only way to have any such thing would require Global totalitarian control over the individual by some Oligarchy. Boy, would THAT suck.

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christopheranton Hub Author 8 months ago

MOEFLATS.

He did have a "rockin good time" all right, mainly on the money of all the idiots he duped, and apparently is continuing to fool, even after death. At least Jim Morrison was not a big hypocrite.

As to the present location of John Lennon, I suspect that God is more likely to welcome the murdered Vietnamese, and the murdered British soldiers and civilians; not to speak of the dead Irish, than the person whose money and propaganda helped them to their demise.

You seem to have changed your tune as well. Earlier you were lauding Lennon for being a peacemaker. Now you are saying world peace is for nutballs.

Is it possible that a little bit of your idol's hypocrisy has rubbed off on you, especially now that his feet of clay have been exposed for everyone to see.

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MOEFLATS Level 2 Commenter 8 months ago

Nah, World Peace is Ok and everything. It's a concept I used to utterly despise until I listened to John Lennon's music. He, in fact, did raise my awareness personally. Too bad you have such a loathing for someone who has touched my life in a very positive way.

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christopheranton Hub Author 8 months ago

Hi MOEFLATS.

Looks like we will have to agree to disagree on this subject.

Perhaps, in your own time, you will decide to look at the evidence for the prosecution.

No doubt the music of John Lennon positively affected a lot of people, and that was good.

It was his actions away from the music that let him down.

I can say no more.

Peace be upon you.

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MOEFLATS Level 2 Commenter 8 months ago

Well-put. May peace also be with you.

Jon Hynds 8 months ago

I'm so sick of this 'he wasn't perfect - no one's perfect' defence. Doesn't mean that JL & others of his ilk shouldn't be exposed for hypocracy. Could have been quite easy for him to simply say - or sing 'give peace a chance', that sentiment alone speaks volumes, without tying his political colors to a mast. The man has gained saintly status, its only right that his faults should also be aired, his personal 1st family neglect decisions & the political stances he chose to support caused suffering & he did have the power to do something, he made choices & there are consequences for those choices. People need to know about the duplicity of his character

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christopheranton Hub Author 8 months ago

Hi Jon. That is exactly how I feel about him, especially since he made millions out of espousing a cause,(world peace), that he did'nt really believe in.

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Nell Rose Level 8 Commenter 7 months ago

Hi, well I am shocked! not that I have really taken a lot of notice of the beatles because they were a bit before my time, well, not that long! lol but I was small when they were most famous. But I am totally knocked out about the IRA thing, well, what a hypocrite! if he was around today he probably would have invited bin laden, gaddafi, and saddam around for sunday lunch! I won't be able to listen to that song now because of this, not a loss really! lol cheers nell

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christopheranton Hub Author 7 months ago

Actually John Lennon and Gadaffi would have been supporting IRA terrorism at the same time, Lennon helping to raise the money, and the Libyan dictator supplying the semtex. What a lovely pair! I dont think.

ciaran 5 months ago

The problems in Northern Ireland were never about British Imperialism. The situation there was that there was an armed terrorist organisation, (The IRA), who believed that they could force Northern Ireland out of Britain by bombing and shooting it's inhabitants. It has always been the democratically expressed wish of the majority there to stay within The United Kingdom.

this paragraph written by your good self shows you have absolutely no idea about the subject matter you to which you write about, Northern ireland only exist due to british imperialism for a start!! i could write on here for hours about how uneducated your post is but i have a life, i suggest you read some books on the history of IRELAND, you may learn something.....

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christopheranton Hub Author 5 months ago

ciaran.

Could I just say that I have read more books on Irish history, than you have had hot dinners. It will always be a divisive subject, but I stand by every word I have written. The evidence will bear me out. If the majority in Northern Ireland want to be in the republic, how is it that the unionist parties combined, consistently get more votes?

ciaran 5 months ago

you obviously havent read them very clearly then, northern ireland as a country would not exist without british imperialism. this is not my opinion it is a fact. if the english had never stepped foot on irish soil would northern ireland exist???

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christopheranton Hub Author 5 months ago

Anyone can play the imperialist game Ciaran. If it wasn't for irish imperialism in the person of Niall of the Nine Hostages, Christianity wouild not have come to Ireland. Also, if my memory serves me right, the first invasion by the Norman English in 1169 happened because they were invited in by an irish king, Dermot Mac Murrough, King of Leinster.

If you want to spout history, at least try to maintain a balance.

John Lennon was a hypocrite, and the IRA were murderers. You dont need to be Sherlock Holmes to work that one out.

ciaran 5 months ago

its lucky you dont have to be sherlock holmes because your more like scooby do, my father is from belfast and my mother from dublin, so dont spout on about the history of ireland and how the english were first invited over in 1169, you have no idea of the life people have lived during the troubles or the reasons why people decided to stand up for themselve in the easter rising of 1916, im not defending many things that have happened as they are clearly wrong and totatally unjust, im offended by your opinion that all the troubles in northern ireland have been caused by thr IRA,i suppose you can also defend the way cromwell treated the irsih or mabye the black and tans???? and dont talk to me about spouting history when this is your hub spouting your views, dont have a hub if you dont want a response.....

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christopheranton Hub Author 5 months ago

Ciaran. I really dont see the relevance of where your parents were from. I spent the first thirty six years of my life living in Ireland, but I do not use that as a bar to objectivity in my debating. I know that Oliver Cromwell was a psychopathic monster, who caused the deaths of many irish people.

I never stated anywhere that all the problems in Northern Ireland were caused by the IRA. They were not. There were problems regarding civil rights, and housing that were caused by the Unionist Parliament in Stormont, and there were plenty of murders committed by loyalist terrorists. But as an Irishman, and a Catholic, I am most particularly offended by the claim of the terrorist IRA to have been fighting a war on my behalf. I didn't ask them to.

As for the rising of 1916, it most certainly was not the people of Ireland standing up for themselves. What it was, actually, was a small splinter group within The Irish Volunteers, allied with an even smaller group called The Irish Citizen Army, which launched an attack on the city of Dublin, when most of the young irishmen were fighting in France in The British army. After their defeat the rebels were booed by the Dubliners, when they were being marched off to jail.

The mistake that was made afterwards by the british, was to create sympathy for the rebels, by executing their leaders.

In actual fact, the 1916 rising, and the extremist republican politics it inspired in Southern Ireland, caused the formation of Northern Ireland. It was not british imperialism. The Home Rule Bill that had been passed in 1914, would have ensured a united Ireland. The deluded extremists of The Easter Rising scuppered that hope. That is historical fact, and it is fact that republican adherents in Ireland have been in denial about ever since.

Finally can I quote Daniel O Connell, one of the few true patriots thrown up by the mish mash that is Irish History. You probably dont know this, but he was responsible for the passing of The Catholic Emancipation Act of 1829. Daniel O Connell said that "Irish freedom was not worth the spilling of one drop of blood". With those sentiments, I am in complete agreement. Which one should "Peacemaker" Lennon have been supporting, O Connell, who achieved real liberation for the irish, by non violent means, or the IRA, who brought nothing but murder and shame to that same country?

SG 3 months ago

You should check out his financial support for convicted murderer Michael X - after he was convicted for murdering 3 people, Lennon funded his appeal. Of all the causes he could give money to, Lennon chose to support those that were killing people. All this while making money singing about peace. It makes it harder to see this as just naivite, and makes it seem more like a straight-up con.

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christopheranton Hub Author 3 months ago

Thanks SG. I will have to check that out. Perhaps it might merit an extra paragraph in my article. I doubt that it will convince many people. There seems to be a massive industry out there that is determined to make John Lennon into some sort of saint.

I sometimes wonder how they would feel if Hitler had been a musician, as well as a psychopath.

sdf 2 months ago

YOUR ARTICLE HAS 0 PROOF

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christopheranton Hub Author 2 months ago

sdf.

There is no need to shout. Just look at the pictures if you dont believe me. Then take your ostrich head out of the sand.

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christopheranton Hub Author 2 months ago

Thanks for the link. I have read the article. It doesn't influence me to change one word that I have written.

The money collected by "Noraid" went to buy guns and ammunition, not to support families.

Two can play the links game. This is one for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Galvin

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nemanjaboskov Level 6 Commenter 2 months ago

Chris, once again you have proven to be a very wise and caring individual, as well as a fantastic writer and a herald of truth. I loved your little conversation with MOEFLATS, which showed that you are totally realistic and fair - way to go. SG also has a good point up there in his comment.

As far as JL is concerned, I must say that I agree with you completely, and I am very sorry that such an important figure in the history of music was a scumbag...

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christopheranton Hub Author 2 months ago

Thanks Nemanja. Sadly it is an uphill struggle trying to get anyone to agree with us.

SG did make a very good point there though.

Chucky R Law 13 days ago

You, sir are no Irishman, but a cretin. That is all.

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christopheranton Hub Author 13 days ago

If standing up for terrorists, who commit murder and have the audacity to claim to do it in my name, then I am no Irishman.

I will wear your disparaging comment as a badge of honour. Thanks for giving it to me.

john lennon 5 days ago

u guys r dum

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christopheranton Hub Author 5 days ago

And you apparently are illiterate.

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